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How to get papers/bluebook ???

#1 Mensagem por lykke » quarta fev 17, 2010 3:42 pm

Hello.

A friend of mine bought last year a PSL filly from breeder Pedro Nuno Monteirinho Pinto Bravo .
The filly is after stallion Nobre (MV) and a mare named "negaca" (i do not know the initials/breeder of the mare).
We do not know if the mare was approved.

She was promised papers/ bluebook but did not get them before the filly was moved.
Now the filly is exported and is not in Portugal.
The breeder do no longer respond to sms - and he only speak portuguese.
It is now 1½ year ago since she bought the filly. And still no contact to the breeder - only 1 sms 5 months ago where he promised to make the papers - but it has not been done.

The owner of the filly want to pay for the bluebook/papers - but only when she has got them - not in advance.

question: is there any way she can make the papers herself? by, for example, a DNA test.
How does she get the papers on the mare if the breeder do not respond ?

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#2 Mensagem por jean michel » quarta fev 17, 2010 6:55 pm

Do you have the blank?

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#3 Mensagem por lykke » quarta fev 17, 2010 11:25 pm

Have blank? What is that?

My friend did not get any papers send with the horse/filly.
She hoped it would be send by mail later - but did not.
And now breeder do not answer back on sms.

The filly is not registered by APSL in the online studbook.

But i think she got a chip number - is that of any use? Can the APSL use that?
We do not know if the breeder has reported the filly as PSL at all. He said he did - but now i don't think so.

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#4 Mensagem por Tamão » quarta fev 17, 2010 11:28 pm

Mas... não sabem que isto é português?

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#5 Mensagem por Phynx » quinta fev 18, 2010 12:07 am

The filly is probably not registered in the APSL studbook. You need to check on the studbook if the mare and the stallion are both approved on the adult studbook and are allowed to breed. If even one of the parents is not registered, then the filly can't be registered as a pure blood lusitano, it will always be a cross, even if indeed a purebred.

If both parents are registered, then you would need a paper stating that the filly is now property of your friend. And if the breeder did not register the filly at the APSL, then you would need blood from both parents to register the filly at the APSL studbook, and only after that contact the FAR to get the bluebook.

You friend shouldn't have imported the filly before she had the papers. Let's hope for the best.

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#6 Mensagem por Chiron » quinta fev 18, 2010 2:02 am

It looks like your friend got him/herself a cruzado.

Only one filly, named Danubia from Nobre (MV) (and out of Urze) was registered in the studbook by Pedro Nuno Monteirinho Pinto Bravo (Sigla: PNB). At least upto today. If Danubia is the filly your friend bought she will get studbook papers for her filly. If the filly is from 2009 and out of a studbook approved mare things may still take a bit of time.

Danubia is however the only horse/mare studbook registered by this breeder upto today.

It's a wise think to do some homework before buying a Lusitano.

If only you would know how many times I already had to tell this same story to extremely disappointed people that bought (and paid for) a Lusitano that turned out to be a cruzado.

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#7 Mensagem por lykke » quinta fev 18, 2010 10:44 am

I was just told by another friend who has contact to APSL, that the filly is registered (it is not Danubia) by the APSL, but since the breeder has not payed she is not yet in the studbook.

Is there anything to do about that? Can she somehow pay direct to APSL herself? And to who can she write and ask?

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#8 Mensagem por Phynx » sexta fev 19, 2010 11:16 am

You need to call APSL and have proof that the filly is indeed you friend's property. They can guide you from there you you're willing to pay for her papers.

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#9 Mensagem por lykke » sexta fev 19, 2010 1:22 pm

Thank you.
I have given this link to the owner - if she succeed in getting the papers i will respond in this site, so others can see it can be done.

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#10 Mensagem por jean michel » sexta fev 19, 2010 3:19 pm

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#11 Mensagem por lykke » sábado fev 20, 2010 5:34 pm

Yes i´m trying to help the owner now. Her or another person will try call the APSL.

I was given another breeder name from her (so the one on top might not be the correct one - it was given by another person) - the name on the receipt for buying the horse is:

Pedro Maria Couto Guimarães de Mascarenhas and his brand is something with MP .
the horse was given a micro chip with number 94100011045111

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